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post Jan 31 2001, 09:01 AM
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As a new Prius owner, I found it difficult to get information about car seats compatible with the new car seat connectors available in the 2001 Prius. <br><br>Here?s a little background on my family?s car seat requirements. When I got my Prius I did not trade in my old car, which is a very reliable, if somewhat rusty, 1990 Nissan Stanza. We decided to keep the Stanza for a winter beater, so are still using it. My husband and I carpool to work and we drop off my two kids (ages 5 and 2) at daycare on the way to work so need car seats in both cars. My very tall five-year-old uses a booster seat that works with any shoulder belt and transfers very easily from one car to the next, but the little one (at 23 lbs.) can?t use most booster seats yet. It?s a major hassle to move the car seats back and forth between cars, so we needed to get a new car seat for the Prius.<br><br>I?m posting a summary of my findings to help some of you make a car seat decision. First, I did not find any product reviews or safety information online for any car seats that would be compatible for use with the new connectors. Of all product listings I looked at online (and there were hundreds), not one mentioned being compatible with the new connectors. As a concerned parent, this left me in a quandary: were ALL car seats compatible? Not likely! <br><br>So, where did I finally get my information? Luckily I know someone who inspects car seats for our local car seat safety clinics. She told me the car seat safety inspectors in my area have not even seen anyone using the new connectors yet. She put me in contact with a local expert who trains the car seat safety inspectors for most of Minnesota.<br><br>A call to the expert got some results. Here?s what I found out. There are only two products currently on the market to fit a child my younger daughter?s size and weight. One is manufactured by Century and costs around $80. The other is manufactured by Fischer Price, and costs around $100. (Sorry I don?t have the model names ? the scrap of paper they were written on has already been recycled.) Both car seats fit children infant to 40 lbs. Both products are generally thought to be available at Shopco and Toy-R-Us. Now, both these seats cost more than most other car seats, and when it comes to safety, a high price does not always mean a safer product. The expert was not able to give me an opinion on whether it was safer to use the new connectors; she stated that they provide an alternative to seatbelts. She also said that over the next 10 ? 12 years, car seats anchored by seatbelts would be phased out.<br><br>Neither of the car seats she mentioned met my family?s needs for car seats. I was looking for something that I wouldn?t have to replace again next year when she gets too tall to sit in an infant seat and will need to use a booster. (Parents, you know it can take an act of strength roughly proportional to moving a mountain to properly install a safety seat!)<br><br>I ended up getting a booster seat by Cosco that fits children 22 ? 80 lbs. It has a five-point harness like a car seat, and in fact, looks and works like a car seat when the harness is used. Later, it can be used as a belt-positioning booster seat. It uses the traditional shoulder belt to anchor it in place. It fits OK in the back seat of my Prius, and I was able to tighten it so it doesn?t move at all, but only by using the tether strap that came with it. My efforts rewarded me with a visit to the chiropractor the next morning, but at least the seat is installed. We are now able to start driving my Prius to work, except my temporary license plates have expired and haven?t received the permanent ones.
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post Jan 31 2001, 07:28 PM
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My wife and I just did car seat shopping this weekend. I was also hoping to find a car seat with the ISO-FIX connectors but didn't find any booster seats that had them. We looked at two Century models - Bravera and Next Step. They are very similar. The Next Step is a litte more expensive and has a few more adjustments. We didn't need the adjustments so we went with the Bravera ($70 at Babies R Us). With the tether and the locking seat belts it is very secure.<br><br>The one thing we've found with this car seat and the previous one is that they don't fit all that well in the center position. Actually they fit fine but the curved seat back and cushion push against the straps and make it difficult to tighten them. I'm trying to put some towels around to create a channel for the straps but I don't want to make the seat less secure. I'd really like to keep the seat in the center so I'll keep trying things. If anyone has any suggestions I'd like to hear.<br><br>Jim
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A minor point. Putting in car seats doesn't have to require super human strength.<br><br>Putting your weight to use really does work.<br><br>Locking seatbelts like the ones on the Prius also make it easier. You can install the seat loosely, very easy to do. Then you pull the seat belt all way out to engage the lock. With the lock engage the seat will not let you pull it out, it will just take up slack (the mechanism is reset by letting the belt all the way back in) Now you just feed the slack in the belt back in. This is usually a good time to press that knee in the car seat to get slack to feed.<br><br>The same technique also works with car seats that have built-in belt locking mechanisms (like the Britax seats).<br><br> arnold
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You?re right, Arnold. The automatic retracting seat belts really help. Even though it was difficult for me, it was still the easiest car seat install I?ve ever done. When my husband (who is twice my weight) is available to assist, it?s so much easier to get the car seat tight. As a lightweight I?m at a disadvantage in the car seat department. My full weight (not just my knee) is not enough, even with the automatic retracting belt, to get the seat tight.<br><br>You mentioned the Britax seat has a built-in locking mechanism. How does that work? Do you know if it works in the Prius?
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We have a Britax Roundabout and Britax Freeway. The Roundabout can go rear facing. They look like the same seat, with Roundabout they simply added clamps and the seat covers has additional holes to support the rear facing configuration.<br><br>In short they work with the Prius in the forward facing configuration. I didn't get a chance to use Roundabout rear facing in the Prius.<br><br>The locking mechanism simply clamps onto the shoulder belt to so the lap portion stays locked. This allows them to be used even with seatbelts that don't have the retractor locks and without having to use a separate locking clip. <br><br>The base of the seat is also slight concave, this seems to help when used in the middle seat positions. <br><br>The seats have top tethers.<br><br>I also use a towel as liner in a single layer over the seat back and bottom to protect the upholstery.<br><br>I'm only 150 lbs. so I'm not that heavy. With the retractor lock NOT engaged I can have slack on the buckle side with the seat installed. I then apply weight on the car seat and then pull on the slack to tighten the lap portion. I repeat until the seat is tight. When I'm satisfied that the lap belt is tight I will engage the retractor lock and feed in the slack.<br><br>The first few times I put car seats in where half hour long affairs. I'm happy that ISO-FIX standard was created, hopefully sparing future child seat installers the agony.<br><br>I had to get the tether anchor point from Canada for Mazda (the car the Prius replace) because the local dealers didn't know anything about them. My Dodge dealers looked at me funny when I asked them to install the tether point in our minivan. They had to look up the installation instructions for it to even learn that it was possible. It's nice to see new cars come with the tether mounting points.<br><br> arnold
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