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Jan 24 2002, 04:59 PM
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Interesting. I'm at about 1200 miles now. I'm
getting about 40-42 overall. One thing I've noticed is
that the on board computer is accurate to within 0.5
mpg which judging by the posts here I never expected.
On the whole, though, I'm a little disappointed in
the mileage (emphasis on a little). I'd like to be up
more around 45. The lion's share of my driving is a 22
mile drive to and from work, all but 2-3 miles of
which are highway at 70mpg. During break-in, it was all
62 or less, no cruise. Then for a while I did 65
with cruise. Now I'm doing 70 with cruise. (Both are
compromises from my usual 75 which I'm considering for the
sake of decreased gas consumption.) Could be my
mileage is in the lower 40s because I drive too fast to
get the really good numbers. Maybe I should consider
sticking to 65 but it really seemed unnecessarily slow in
a 65 mph zone with everyone on the road going
around me on both sides.<br><br>I think the other place
I take a mileage "hit" is in an average of 1-2
short hops every day (maybe 1-2 miles or even a little
less), like to get a drink at lunch time or between work
sites.<br><br>I usually do accelerate hard, similar to the
"pulse" style suggested here. I'll probably start doing
it more consistently. <br><br>Any thoughts
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Jan 24 2002, 05:06 PM
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I've got a similar distance in my commute. It's
approximately 22 miles also. My average is about 50mpg. The
average speed on the road varies between 35-60 miles per
hour. Most of it is also on the freeway as
well.<br><br>I've noticed that my mpg goes up "dramatically" when I
don't constantly press on the accelerator pedal. I
usually get up to speed and back off of the "gas" pedal
which switches the engine over to electrical power.
Driving the Prius like a gasoline powered car usually
will give you mileage in the 40's. The trick is to
trick the Prius into shifting to electrical mode
instead of always applying pressure to the accelerator
pedal.<br><br>Coast when you can. Build up speed before you get to a
rise in the freeway and coast down the other side.
Drive
smoothly.<br><br>
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Jan 25 2002, 11:49 AM
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I've been disappointed in my mileage. I drive 5
miles each way to work and that's most of my driving.
Along the way I stop at several lights and it takes
about 15 minutes to get to work. My mileage averages
36. I've been surprised that I seem to get better
mileage when I mix in highway driving. <br><br>Does this
sound correct or do I have a problem with my car?
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Jan 25 2002, 12:48 PM
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> I drive 5 miles each way to work and that's
most of my driving. <br><br>Those are the exact
conditions where Prius does the worst (which is still better
than just about every other vehicle
available).<br><br>Once it gets warmer out, MPG will go up. <br><br>Try
driving to work sometime with your engine already warmed
up (run an errand somewhere first). You'll discover
improved MPG.<br><br>Also, don't forget about the
in-your-face nature of the multi-display. It commonly points
out weaknesses in all vehicles. Only you've never had
data available in the past, so you had no idea that
was actually
happening.<br><br>JOHN<br><a href=http://john1701a.com
target=new>http://john1701a.com</a>
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Jan 26 2002, 01:28 AM
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You probably already know that the Prius gets
better gas mileage in the city vs. the highway. The
faster I go on the highway, the worse my gas mileage,
all other things (such as terrain) being equal. So if
you speed up, I think you'll find that you get worse
gas mileage. If only the road was downhill both
ways...
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Jan 26 2002, 09:50 AM
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Jan 28 2002, 11:34 AM
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FYI, I drive about 7 miles to work, with about 5
of those on a highway. The first 5 minutes (getting
to the highway) I get dreadful MPG, maybe 20. The
next 5 minutes (includes a light or 2 plus
accelerating onto the highway and most of the actual highway
driving I get maybe 40. The next 5 (or fewer) which
includes getting of the highway (ramp is downhill) and
going into the work driveway, I get more like
50+.<br><br>In the summer it was much better. On my weekly
10-mile trip done with the car warm, it is
better.<br><br>I don't think you have a problem.<br><br>Burns
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Feb 4 2002, 02:28 AM
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At 38,000 miles I have a lifetime average of
about 41 mpg driving fast. Take every opportunity to
use cars great ability to coast. Lift your foot at
speed and then appy just enough pressure to maintain
speed. Lose speed going uphill and gain it on the way
back down.<br><br>Leave the AC on auto and turn it off
when its colder than 65 outside.<br><br>Following
large SUVs and trucks will also help with milage. I
find my milage goes up by about 3mpg when I am on the
phone. (Not passing all the other cars)<br><br>Dave
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Feb 4 2002, 09:33 AM
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Thought you might find this relevant:<br><br>4
people died yesterday in a pile-up on I495/95 as a
result of a person who was talking on the cell phone. 3
of the people were minding their own business in the
opposite lane with a median between that driver and them.
Do everyone else a favor, if not yourself, and maybe
find a better time to make that all important, very
necessary, 'life-or-death' phone call.
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Feb 5 2002, 07:58 PM
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I'm gonna be a gadfly on this one. The fact that
the driver that caused the accident was using a cell
phone does not prove the cell phone was the cause. Was
the driver also using the car radio? Was the driver
drinking coffee? Was the driver drunk? Was the driver
lost? <br><br>There are at least a dozen easily
identifiable potential distractions, but as soon as we
discover someone was on the phone when an accident
happened we conclude the phone was at fault. Another angle
of this is that the same people who insist that cell
phones cause accidents and must not be used while
driving have never launched a campaign about, for
example, changing the CD in your single disc CD player
without pulling over. Is there solid evidence to support
the hypothesis that cell phones cause accidents? Is
there solid evidence to support the hypothesis that
cell phones cause more accidents then messing with the
radio/CD/tape player or eating a donut or any of the other
things we might reasonably do while driving? I think if
we're gonna make a rule that says "no talking on the
phone while driving," we also have to have a rule about
"no eating," and "pull over before you change your
CD."
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Feb 6 2002, 07:40 AM
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You sound a bit like you're in denial.
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Feb 6 2002, 08:57 AM
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I wasn't sure if you are aware but the Oregon
state drivers manual specifically states do not eat,
drink, listen to headphones while driving in a car. A
woman on a cell phone here (and continued to be on the
cell phone after the accident) caused a 4 car pile up,
with a truck that got flipped over onto another car.
Luckily there were no fatalities in the Oregon
wreck.<br><br>I think if a person uses a hands free unit and does
NOT dial while driving that a cell phone can be used
BUT due to the # of times a person with their right
arm holding the phone to their left ear and deciding
NOT to see me as they chat away IS a danger. I have
had more near misses with cell phone drivers than
non-cell phone drivers. I agree, when someone is talking
they should be looking straight ahead NOT at the
person talking, NOR should they look down at the radio
OR at their food/drink.<br><br>However we do have
enough documentation and DEATH caused by cell phones
that it warrants some action. Here's a research
project-find out what was the major leading cause of
distractions for accidents and death BEFORE cell phones. Then
we can compare the lesser of the two evils.
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Feb 6 2002, 09:53 AM
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I'm sorry, but you are wrong.<br><br>I'll address
this in no particular order. Their is a matter of
practicability. It's hard enough to have the law require a seat
belt, but we can just about barely do it. It would be
extremely difficult to enfore law that say you can't eat
while driving. Maybe writing it on the law books is a
nice thought, but enforcing it would be difficult. I
think it is just about as easy to enfore a cell phone
law (New York) as it would be the seat belt law.
Difficult, but not impossible.<br><br>I change CD's while
driving, and one two occassions it almost got me in
trouble, but I can manage it while driving. Because I make
long highway trips, I got an mp3 player that now has
about 20 hours of music. I no longer have to change a
disc whiledriving.<br><br>I eat while driving. I do it
mostly by "feel" I barely look at the food, wrapper, and
I reach blindly for my drink. <br><br>I use a cell
phone while driving. I never owned one before and i
thought the law was stupid. If I can eat and adjust my
stereo, why can't I make a call. Hell, you can look ahead
while your talking! I got a cell phone for Christmas,
and used it while driving. I could not believe how
long I had to look away from the road to dial. It was
amazing. It turns out that whereas a car is ergonomically
designed to make stereo buttons as visible as possible, my
phone was not. It took a good second or two for my eyes
to adjust to the tiny keys before I could press any
of them. <br><br>I now beleive in the problem and
use voice dial mode.
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Feb 6 2002, 03:44 PM
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>I'm sorry, but you are wrong.<br><br>Give me
a break. The most intelligent comment that can be
made to this is "am not!"<br><br>In my opinion, your
reasoning is flawed and this is the last I'll say on this
topic. The premise to your reasoning is whatever you
feel *you* can "handle" should be deemed reasonable
for all drivers to attempt while driving (even if
it's something that "almost got you in trouble") and
anything you find distracting should be against the
law.<br><br>>I now beleive in the problem and use voice dial
mode. <br><br>Whoopdy-do. You "believe" in the problem.
Legislation should not be based on knee-jerk "beliefs" based
on anecdotal reports. We don't "believe" seatbelts
save lives. We know it on the basis of solid evidence.
That's why the law is reasonable. I *suspect* that a
variety of activities are distractions while driving and
*believe* smart drivers should avoid those things but no
one should be making *law* on the basis of what I
*suspect* (nor even on the basis of what you suspect, even
if you do think you should be the gold standard of
what is and is not an acceptable
distraction.)<br><br>>It turns out that whereas<br> a car is ergonomically
designed to make stereo buttons as visible as<br>
possible. . .<br><br>This is the Prius we're talking about!
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Feb 6 2002, 03:59 PM
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>I wasn't sure if you are aware but the Oregon
state drivers manual<br> specifically states do not
eat, drink. . .<br><br>That doesent apply to Hawkmon,
as it is widely known that he is uniquely able to
eat by feel and reach for his drink blindly: "I eat
while driving. I do it mostly by "feel" I barely look
at the food, wrapper, and I reach blindly for my
drink."<br><br>I think it is good advice not to use a cell phone
while driving. I think it should be in all state
driver's manuals and defensive driving courses, right
alongside all the other advice about distractions. I would
even be likely to support an insurance premium
discount for people who install hands free units, just as
many companies give discounts to people who take
defensive driving courses. (I'm all for social engineering
to encourage people to make smart healthy
decisions.)<br><br>A law, however, that singles out this one
distraction above all others would be a knee-jerk approach to
legislation absent solid evidence that this is a menace
requiring special attention.<br><br>Like Hawkmon, what
you've offered is anecdotal reports of accidents which
were "caused by" cell phones as your own experience
that more "near misses" are with cell phone users than
others. My experience is that my near misses are about
50-50 users and non users (but much more frequent with
tailgaters than non-tailgaters) and no more common when I'm
on the phone as when I'm off (but it's worth noting
that I have developed the ability to use my phone by
feel and pretty much blind).<br><br>Passing a law
banning cell phones will make everyone feel swell about
working to improve safety. I think we would make better
use of our state troopers by cracking down on
aggressive drivers (who have been the cause of almost every
near miss I've been involved in phone or no phone)
while using driver education and insurance incentives
to encourage safe driving habits like avoiding phone
use and other distracting activities while driving.
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Feb 6 2002, 04:20 PM
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Always possible.<br><br>I do not dispute the
notion that cell phones are a source of driver
distraction. What I question is the logic of addressing this
one cause of driver distraction with every tool
society can muster, right up to legislation, while going
into a societal state of denial about all the others
(witness Hawkmon's denial of the import of every other
distraction in his own driving once he had eliminated the two
he decided to deal with). I think attacking this one
source of distraction will allow us to dust off our
hands, pat ourselves on the back and congratulate
ourselves while we continue to read maps, apply makeup, eat
messy jelly donuts, change the tape/CD, give our kid in
the back seat a drink, reach over to the passenger
floor to grab a tissue, gape at the beautiful
guy/girl/car in the next lane. . . (not to mention drive too
close and/or too fast, fail to use turn signals. . .)
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