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post Jul 15 2007, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE(Bakemono @ Jul 14 2007, 11:45 PM) [snapback]6818[/snapback]

FToyota, no I am not a Ford guy. I bought the Ford because the price was right.
About how many wars Toyotas have been in, what the heck does that have to do with anything? Go to Austrailia and tell me how many Toyota 4x4s you see and how many Ford and GM 4x4s you see. Go to the middle east and tell me how many Toyotas you see and how many Fords or GMs you see. You will see 10 Toyotas for every 1 Ford or GM. Thats because people dont get new vehicles every 3-5 years and they need something that holds up. Thats why Toyota dominates and Ford/GM do not in those parts of the world.
About my '09 Tacoma, obviously I dont have it yet. I will have one by next summer though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/s12.gif)
Yeah, Im real delusional, yet I back my claims up with facts, while you back your's up with half-truths that are cooked up to support your claims.
By the way, Im not the one who is going on a TOYOTA forum and bragging up GM products.


Half-truths!?! Funny you were the one who said that Toyotas "Limited Slip Differential" was the same thing as a locking differential, and when I pointed out the difference you got all upset and started calling me a hater, then when someone else calls you out on the carpet for using the term hater, you started accusing me of trolling, I believe the only person here who would be using "half-truths" would be you, as it is a frequent comment in your posts, and even though you say you will be buying a Tacoma next summer, talk is cheap, until you actually own the product you are just a noisy fan-boy regardless of what you may or may not currently own.
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post Jul 15 2007, 11:07 AM
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okay, well... Ford, Toyota, Chevy or otherwise - I'm just not an off-roader... pavement it is for me. And it doesn't snow where I live, anyway.
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post Jul 15 2007, 01:20 PM
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FToyota, I have owned Toyotas in the past. Its been a while, but Ive always been an active member of various Toyota forums, so its not as if I dont know what Im talking about.
When I was in highschool I drove an '85 Toyota 4Runner SR5. 22R-E 4-banger, 5-speed manual, solid front axle. 245,000+ miles on the original engine and tranny and never gave me a moment of trouble.
After I got out of highschool I owned a '91 Toyota 4Runner SR5 V6. 3.slow V6, 4-speed ECT auto tranny. Nice rig, but I wanst a fan of the auto tranny and 3.slow wasnt much of an engine. It never let me down, but those engines were known for blowing headgaskets frequently (due to aluminum heads and a cast-iron block), werent really all that powerful and the gas milage wasnt that good either.
I kept the '91 for a couple years and wanted a truck, but couldnt get a deal on a Tacoma, so I bought a '99 Ranger in '00. I kept the Ranger for a couple years, but if was uncomfortable on long drives, so I traded that in on a '99 F-150 with 65,000 miles on it.
Over the years the F-150 has been a good truck, but Ive seen that Ive spent more time fixing the Fords Ive owned than I ever did the Toyotas, and the Toyotas had way more miles on them.
Its been 9 years since I owned a Toyota, but my love of the brand has never wanned. Ive always been an active member on various Toyota forums and I keep up on both the good and bad of these vehicles. Ive been on both sides of the fence and I will never own another domestic until they can prove they have surpassed Japan in terms of quality and dependability.
You say Im posting half-truths about a limited-slip vs a locker. IMO, they both do pretty much the same thing. Ive got a limited-slip diff in my F-150 and guess what? When one of the tires loses traction, it sends power to BOTH rear tires. The big downfall of a locker is that its not really practical for the average person because you can only use it at slow speeds. I dunno about the Chevy, but with Tacomas that come from the factory with a rear locker you arent supposed to use it at speeds faster than 15 mph. How usefull is that for anything other than mud and rock crawling? On a 4x4 Id rathar have limited-slip in the front and an open diff in the rear because all a locker or limited slip in the rear do is make it go sideways, but with a LS on the front you actually have enough weight on the tires for it to put the power to the ground.
Oh and speaking of being a noisey fanboy, whose the one who is going on a Toyota forum and bragging up GM products?
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post Jul 15 2007, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE(Bakemono @ Jul 15 2007, 03:20 PM) [snapback]6828[/snapback]

FToyota, I have owned Toyotas in the past. Its been a while, but Ive always been an active member of various Toyota forums, so its not as if I dont know what Im talking about.
When I was in highschool I drove an '85 Toyota 4Runner SR5. 22R-E 4-banger, 5-speed manual, solid front axle. 245,000+ miles on the original engine and tranny and never gave me a moment of trouble.
After I got out of highschool I owned a '91 Toyota 4Runner SR5 V6. 3.slow V6, 4-speed ECT auto tranny. Nice rig, but I wanst a fan of the auto tranny and 3.slow wasnt much of an engine. It never let me down, but those engines were known for blowing headgaskets frequently (due to aluminum heads and a cast-iron block), werent really all that powerful and the gas milage wasnt that good either.
I kept the '91 for a couple years and wanted a truck, but couldnt get a deal on a Tacoma, so I bought a '99 Ranger in '00. I kept the Ranger for a couple years, but if was uncomfortable on long drives, so I traded that in on a '99 F-150 with 65,000 miles on it.
Over the years the F-150 has been a good truck, but Ive seen that Ive spent more time fixing the Fords Ive owned than I ever did the Toyotas, and the Toyotas had way more miles on them.
Its been 9 years since I owned a Toyota, but my love of the brand has never wanned. Ive always been an active member on various Toyota forums and I keep up on both the good and bad of these vehicles. Ive been on both sides of the fence and I will never own another domestic until they can prove they have surpassed Japan in terms of quality and dependability.
You say Im posting half-truths about a limited-slip vs a locker. IMO, they both do pretty much the same thing. Ive got a limited-slip diff in my F-150 and guess what? When one of the tires loses traction, it sends power to BOTH rear tires. The big downfall of a locker is that its not really practical for the average person because you can only use it at slow speeds. I dunno about the Chevy, but with Tacomas that come from the factory with a rear locker you arent supposed to use it at speeds faster than 15 mph. How usefull is that for anything other than mud and rock crawling? On a 4x4 Id rathar have limited-slip in the front and an open diff in the rear because all a locker or limited slip in the rear do is make it go sideways, but with a LS on the front you actually have enough weight on the tires for it to put the power to the ground.
Oh and speaking of being a noisey fanboy, whose the one who is going on a Toyota forum and bragging up GM products?


Finally a reasonable, rational, discussion out of you, this I can handle, I can definately see the reasons for your "enthusiasim", as for me "bragging" up GM products I would prefer to use the word defend.
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post Jul 15 2007, 07:43 PM
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LOL...whatever you say.
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post Sep 20 2007, 08:33 AM
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I really don't see what your defending. You say that the new Camry's have transmission issues and that the Tundra's, okay thats a good point. Toyota's got a pimple on there backside. I personally think that any domestic brand you name is going to have a case of herpes. Truthfully saying that any domestic brand is better than the other is like saying "this is the healthiest kid with aids." I'll consider this point that you made when I see that little old Tacoma, camry, corolla etc. with 300,000+ miles on it driving down the road, the engine still sounding like an sewing machine, and the chevy, dodge, or ford equivalent in the scrapyard for metal recycling.

I understand you don't want to break up the harmony in this forum, due to the fact that you want to follow the rules, but writing in this forum with a name like Ftoyota (perceived as F*** Toyota) is like walking into a Jewish temple with a swastika painted on your shirt while also sporting other kinds of Nazi paraphernalia. You need to think a little more before you come into our backyard and start throwing grenades at us. If this is your plan of attack, retaliation, points to prove, whatever... then try a little harder.
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post Sep 26 2007, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(scaryperson27 @ Sep 20 2007, 10:33 AM) [snapback]8086[/snapback]

I really don't see what your defending. You say that the new Camry's have transmission issues and that the Tundra's, okay thats a good point. Toyota's got a pimple on there backside. I personally think that any domestic brand you name is going to have a case of herpes. Truthfully saying that any domestic brand is better than the other is like saying "this is the healthiest kid with aids." I'll consider this point that you made when I see that little old Tacoma, camry, corolla etc. with 300,000+ miles on it driving down the road, the engine still sounding like an sewing machine, and the chevy, dodge, or ford equivalent in the scrapyard for metal recycling.

I understand you don't want to break up the harmony in this forum, due to the fact that you want to follow the rules, but writing in this forum with a name like Ftoyota (perceived as F*** Toyota) is like walking into a Jewish temple with a swastika painted on your shirt while also sporting other kinds of Nazi paraphernalia. You need to think a little more before you come into our backyard and start throwing grenades at us. If this is your plan of attack, retaliation, points to prove, whatever... then try a little harder.


Um, dude you are a little late to the party, but have you ever seen a 300,000+ mile Toyota, I have and I am here to tell you there really is much left of it to call it a Toyota it is more like a T---ta because all of the rust, oh btw SIEG HEIL.
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post Sep 27 2007, 07:04 PM
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hi new to the site and a new tundra owner, ftoyota your a chevy lover and that is fine but i was a chevy truck guy for 20 years. just traded my 02 2500hd with 55000 miles on it. because it's a piece of junk and i just can't take it anymore from tranny's to rear ends, to constant brake problems, to ac problems, to motor problem's and the list goes on and the constant gm quote of can't duplicate the problem when something is wrong. i will never buy a gm product ever again. one more thing the truck was never beat the and the most i trailer is two atv's on a small trailer. the cold hard truth is gm is building junk and they don't stand behind there product any more. my new license plate will read CHVY SKS
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post Sep 27 2007, 09:23 PM
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At least they get a chance to rust while they're still running. Implus, you would think a rusted out piece of garbage looking car would have had the crap beaten out of it right? BTW what are you victorious of?
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post Sep 29 2007, 09:09 PM
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Wow, pretty heavy you guys! We all love our vehicles and it pains us when they let us down!
I grew up in Ohio, and worked in an auto related economy and always felt obligated to buy American for years, but after having
a 95 Dodge, 98 GMC,and an 01 GMC truck and constantly having failures while off roading and on the street, fighting with service managers over warranty and extended warranty items I looked at Toyota and their record. I bought an 04 Tacoma, put 50,000 on it and never took it to the dealer for a complaint or failure. This vehicle was assembled in the US and I thought about it and came to the realization that as long as American workers are getting paid a good wage to build them, what the hell, its not like Ford and Gm are sharing the wealth with us! I've since traded the Tacoma in for an 07 Tundra and was shocked at how much the dealer gave me for it and still came down for the Tundra. I can't vouch for the Tundra too much yet but I've been been on three trips towing my 8000 lb. 5th wheel trailer and I can not believe how much attention it has drawn! Everywhere we have gone people want to talk about the truck, Chevy people included. I was afraid of the towing capacity but it has performed very well in the mountains of Arizona, and Colorado.
So you guys fight it out, but I prefer my leasure time traveling, enjoying our country, not fighting with some penny pinching service writer!
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post Oct 14 2007, 02:58 AM
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You somthing just doesn't add up here, now I understand these complaints on the carside of the business (Flaming Fiero's anyone?) but on the truck side no, the Japaneese name plates especially Toyota have been selling trucks here for how long 20?, 30? years, but have yet to shake the loyalty of the American truck buyer, there is more to this than just excessive rebates and discounts from the from the mfgr., but what? could it be much to your folks concernation (and stories) that maybe most of the trucks out there are built well and are quality products, why is it that Ford's F150 has been the #1 selling vehicle (not just truck, but over all vehicle) for so long, because for every my cousin Billy Bobs Chevy Silverado was poorly built story, you can bet you last dollar that there is a like story for every Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mitsubishi (anyone remember the Mighty Max), Ford, Dodge, Isuzu, GMC, Lincoln, and Cadillac (Oops forgot Range Rover [of course that's British so its a given that it will be bad], Mercedes Benz, BMW, Volvo, Saab) truck out there.
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post Oct 14 2007, 07:30 PM
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FToyota, aparently you arent aware of the fact that the Toyota Tacoma is the best-selling compact/midsize truck in America.
It has definetly "shaken the loyalty" of the American truck buyer. The Ford Ranger dominated that market for something like 15 years. Ford made the mistake of not keeping up with the competition and they fell behind.
Even the Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyon cant keep up with the Tacoma. Last month Toyota sold twice as many Tacomas as Chevy sold Colorados.
I do think the fullsize American truck market will be a tougher nut to crack. Toyota honestly donest have the capacity to build enough Tundras to match Ford and GM's sales. Right now Toyota is selling about 150,000 Tundras a month, whereas Chevy is selling about 350,000 and Ford is selling 400,000+. The Tundra is very close to outsell the GMC Sierra though.
Its nice to see that Im not the only one who sees you for the troll that you are, FToyota.
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post Oct 27 2007, 04:37 PM
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QUOTE(Bakemono @ Oct 14 2007, 09:30 PM) [snapback]8472[/snapback]

FToyota, aparently you arent aware of the fact that the Toyota Tacoma is the best-selling compact/midsize truck in America.
It has definetly "shaken the loyalty" of the American truck buyer. The Ford Ranger dominated that market for something like 15 years. Ford made the mistake of not keeping up with the competition and they fell behind.
Even the Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyon cant keep up with the Tacoma. Last month Toyota sold twice as many Tacomas as Chevy sold Colorados.
I do think the fullsize American truck market will be a tougher nut to crack. Toyota honestly donest have the capacity to build enough Tundras to match Ford and GM's sales. Right now Toyota is selling about 150,000 Tundras a month, whereas Chevy is selling about 350,000 and Ford is selling 400,000+. The Tundra is very close to outsell the GMC Sierra though.
Its nice to see that Im not the only one who sees you for the troll that you are, FToyota.


I guess the Tundra and Tacoma's pace fell off a bit considering that GM is back on top of the sales chart again, but that is O.K., this is fun, this is a good old fashion knock down drag out sales war and we the consumer can only benefit from this, and Baked' old buddy considering I live under the Mackinac Bridge in the lower peninsula of Michigan it can be said that I truly am a troll (BTW: check in with that counselor yet, if he/she can perscribe drugs I recommend a combination of Cymbalta and Abilify).
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hey guys,
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All I know is that I bought my Tundra 1 month ago after previously owning a 2004 Silverado 4X4.... My 2WD Tundra can go anywhere and do anything that my Silverado could!!! And I have been through all the same things in both trucks.....like previously stated.....it all depends on the driver!!!!
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