If you live in a state where it snows or maybe has other natural (seasonal) events that could cause you to get stuck (it happens to almost everyone at one point or another) you might want to rethink your purchase of the new Tundra, as this video demonstrates.

http://www.brightcove.com/title.jsp?title=...annel=493148895

Ive seen the vid, and heres my take. Notice how much harder they hit the bank with the Chevy? They hit it so hard that the driver's side rear tire came off the ground.
The Toyota would have went though that no problem if they had only locked it into 4x4.
Also, a limited-slip diff comes standard on the Tundra, so I dunno what GM is talking about with their automatic rear locker claim.
One again, typical half-truth on GM's part. They will do anything to try to discredit Toyota, even if that means a smoke 'n mirrors campaign.

Repeatability is the key to any experiment.

This is only marketting.

Totally agree. Though I do like Chevy trucks, there is no proof that this commercial stunt could be repeated in real life. I can make a truck do anything I want it to do on TV, including climb a tree. That doesn't mean it would actually work.

Also, most people in that situation would lock the truck into 4x4.

What if you only have two wheel drive?

If ya only had 2 wheel drive, leave it on the pavement,,, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/harhar.gif)
my 2 cents worth

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HAHA... Well, I used to own a Silverado Z71 and let me tell you. Chevy ain't got nothing on Toyota AND my husband's cousin has a Tundra and we live in Southeastern Oklahoma. Do you know what we do for fun in Southeastern Oklahoma? We FOURWHEEL DRIVE ANYTHING!!! No Chevy ain't gonna out do Toyota. PERIOD. I ain't gonna say Chevy isn't pretty but that's what they do.. They look pretty and sit.. Toyota looks GREAT and PERFORMS!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/auto.gif) And that's my 2cents worth! LOL

Southeastern Oklahoma!?! Please I live in Northeastern Michigan, ever heard of a "lake effects" snowstorm, I have spent plenty enough time pulling out know it all's like you and their precious Tundras, Tacomas, etc. with my "pretty" (pretty!?!) Chevy Avalanche Z71.

To be fair, much of it is the drivers. Good drivers can get more out of a truck than someone who only thinks they know what they are doing>

True. Very, very true.

A locking differential is not the same as a limited slip differential. In very low grip situations a locking diff is superior to a limited slip diff is superior to an open diff. The point of this demonstration was to show what Chevy can do in 2-wheel drive while the Tundra requires 4 wheel drive, therefore this is not a "half truth" or a "smoke and mirrors" campaign.

FToyota, say what you want, but Toyota has a legendary reputation for off-road capability than GM cant match.
Since you are obviously such a lover of GM products, perhaps you would be happier on a forum thats made for GM enthusiasts.
If you come here for the purpose of bashing Toyotas, save it because the powers that be here on TF wont stand for it.

Yes it is obvious that I favor GM products (my father help build them for over 40 years, and I to am involved with a major parts supplier to GM), but I have sat and observed this site for ahwile and watched the "GM Bashing" go on for along time, I will play by the rules of the game and not curse or use sexual or profane material, but I WILL NOT KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT IF MY OPINION CONFLICS WITH YOURS, Toyotas are good vehicles but they are NOT the LEGENDARY vehichles you make them out to be, people don't write popular songs about them for instance (409, Little Red Corvette, GTO, American Pie, etc.), for the most part they are utillitarian tools that people have little to no passion about, and they certainly are not perfect, they are machines and they do break, or do we need to bring up faulty camshafts in 5.7 liter V8's or transmission problems in new Camry's (because I know you guys have a laundry list of all of GM's failing's some true some probably made up because of fanboy pride).

I'm curious to know how you coulw/would qualify any of that as Toyota bashing... An opinion that goes against the grain and one who does not blindly follow/agree with the mentality of the group doesn't constitute bashing or *shudders, because I hate that "word"* a hater.

Well lets see, when someone puts up a thread like this with the intent of bashing Toyota, Id call them a hater.
FToyota, all Ive got to say is, "game on". I dont have a problem with you disagreeing, what I do have a problem with is when you come on here for no other reason than to bash Toyota.
You say that Toyotas arent the legendary vehicles that I think they are, yet if you go anywhere outside of North America, most of the trucks and 4x4s you see are Toyotas. GM, Ford and Dodge are nowhere to be found. Thats fact.
BTW, you say that you play by the rules, but you have already broken one of the rules. The rules clearly state no trolling.

"BTW, you say that you play by the rules, but you have already broken one of the rules. The rules clearly state no trolling."

Hmmm. Well I guess you could say that, my original wording was a bit harsh and I could see how it would look that way, BUT!, the burden of proof rests with you for this was NOT my intent, I was just pointing out that the new Tundra does not come with a locking rear differential which is (as was explained earlier) a BIG difference from a limited slip differential, I apologize for any "Trolling" percieved or otherwise, but yet when others defend their favorite makes (be it GM, Ford, Chrysler, or even Honda) do you get this worked up Bakemono or are you so in love with the new Tundra (or Toyotas in general) that if someone should even suggest even the slitest flaw or lack of an option you go on the war path, in which case may I suggest you seek counseling, and as far as legendary goes yes Toyota has a large world market penetration and has done very well in racing (esp. off-road), but lengedary is one of those words you have to be careful when you use it, because it could turn around and bite you and make you look like a fool, is Toyota more legendary than Land Rover or Jeep, or how about Ferrari, and Mercedes Benz or even GM? More popular maybe but not legendary, Toyota does not have the histories that these companies have, is that Toyota's fault? No, they are just entering their prime right now (Toyota is where GM was in the 40's, 50's, and 60's and I must say GM did make some legendary products back then both good [Corvette] and bad [Corvair]), if anything the legend is just beginning.

Yeah, Im such a Toyota fanboy that I bought a Ford. Youve got me all figured out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/s12.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Actually, they are. The 4Runner and Land Cruiser are world-reknown for the off-road capability and dont have the quality issues that LR and Jeep have. LR is well-known for issues with the engines and trannys and Jeeps are known for weak transfter cases. The 4Runner and LC on the other hand are absolutely bulletproof.

I wouldnt say they are more legendary than Ferrari just because Toyota doesnt really specialize in high-end sportscars, but I would say that in luxury cars they are more legendary the Mercedes. MB has really fallen from grace in recent years due to poor quality and Lexus has really taken over as the premier luxury brand.
GM? In term of quality and durability they are more legendary but in terms of performance, not so much. There isnt as much money in sportscars as there is in passenger cars, trucks and SUVs, so Toyota has never really tried all that hard to be #1 in that market. They did have the Supra in the '80s and '90s that were very capable sportscars and could run head to head with any car on the planet, but there wasnt much profit in it and Toyota axed the Supra. The same went for the MR2 and Celica, very sporty cars but the sales were high enough for it to be worthwhile for Toyota to continue making them.
The Corvette isnt the legend it once was because nowdays anyone can buy a Corvette. 'Vettes are so common nowdays that just about anyone can afford one. My uncle has an '82 Corvette that I rode in once and I wasnt impressed. It rode like a lumber wagon and has a lot of squeaks and rattles to it. There is no exclusivity to it anymore like there was in the '60s and '70s. GM has some nice trucks in the Silverado and Sierra, but they had poor quality until recently.

All quotes from Bakemono on Jul 7 2007, 04:57 PM



O.K. you own a Ford, then please explain why all of the delusional praise for Toyota or is this really a Ford vs. Chevy thing, in which case Toyota really isn't involved here and you really do need to seek counselling.



Alright, they are well built, but generally when someone would use a word like "legendary" they would have a little more than build quality to back it up, oh like how many WARS the 4Runner and Land Cruiser have been through. I will give you that I don't know about the Land Cruiser or Land Rover (but that preferred 4x4 by the queen status may have somthing more to do with than just being British), but I do know for the 4Runner wars = 0 and Jeep = at least 3 (plus numerous millitary policing actions).




Then explain why the new Lexus(s) having been placing dead last in most comparison tests involving the top luxury makes (Audi, M-B, BMW, Infiniti, and Lexus, I will admit Cadillac is not there yet and Lincolin is not even close) the primary reason is a total lack of personality, they are sterile, as for the 82 Corvette we are talking about a car that officially became an antique this model year (2007), that makes it 25 years old and alot of improvements have happend since then and I am safe in assuming the current Corvette is more than capable of being the legend it always has been, also from the beginning the Corvette was SUPPOSED to be available to everyone who wanted one, not some ultraaffluent snot-rocket like some other makes that have two year long waiting lists for even their most inexpensive models (cough FERRARI cough cough), as for the Supra, MR2, and Celica, that would get into a discussion of Japaneese vs. American trade policies, currency exchange (yen vs. dollar) etc., that I have neither the time or the patience to go through, needless to say they were priced out of the market (and new american emissions regs. did'nt help their cause either, see also Mazda RX-7, Nissan 300ZX).

BTW. How long have you had your 2009 Tacoma, and did you trade your Ford in for it? You truly are delusional. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/harhar.gif)

FToyota, no I am not a Ford guy. I bought the Ford because the price was right.
About how many wars Toyotas have been in, what the heck does that have to do with anything? Go to Austrailia and tell me how many Toyota 4x4s you see and how many Ford and GM 4x4s you see. Go to the middle east and tell me how many Toyotas you see and how many Fords or GMs you see. You will see 10 Toyotas for every 1 Ford or GM. Thats because people dont get new vehicles every 3-5 years and they need something that holds up. Thats why Toyota dominates and Ford/GM do not in those parts of the world.
About my '09 Tacoma, obviously I dont have it yet. I will have one by next summer though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/s12.gif)
Yeah, Im real delusional, yet I back my claims up with facts, while you back your's up with half-truths that are cooked up to support your claims.
By the way, Im not the one who is going on a TOYOTA forum and bragging up GM products.