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May 18 2001, 09:47 AM
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I don't thinks so, but read this article and you
will find out why not all news that's printed is
fit.<br><br>Bush's credits for hybrids hailed, details wanted
<br><br>Updated 5:07 PM ET May 17, 2001 <br>By Justin
Hyde<br>DETROIT (Reuters) - Environmentalists and the auto
industry welcomed President Bush's plan Thursday for a set
of tax credits to promote high-tech vehicles that
offer large gains in fuel efficiency.<br><br>But there
was some wariness on both sides, which want more
details about the size and scope of any credits for cars
and trucks powered by fuel cells and gas-electric
hybrid engines. Automakers want the credits to apply to
the widest variety of designs, while some
environmentalists want credits tied directly to fuel economy
improvements.<br><br>The credits "get to what (the federal fuel economy
standard) doesn't get at, namely the demand side." said Tim
McCarthy, president of the Association of International
Automobile Manufacturers, a trade group of foreign
automakers. "It's one thing if you provide the supply, but
it's another thing if people won't buy
them."<br><br>President Bush's plan provides $4 billion for consumer tax
credits between 2002 and 2007. Some bills in Congress
would set up similar incentives.<br><br>Two automakers,
Honda Motor Co. Ltd. and Toyota Motor Corp., already
offer hybrid cars, which combine a gas engine with an
electric motor and a battery pack to increase fuel
efficiency. The two-seat Honda Insight gets 70 miles per
gallon at highway speeds -- the highest fuel efficiency
of any car sold in the United States.<br><br>While
hybrids have been held out as one of the most promising
ways to improve fuel economy, current hybrid cars
carry a severe price penalty, and sales have been held
to about 17,000 a year. The Toyota Prius hybrid is
based on the Toyota Echo compact, but costs about
$5,400 more with similar options. Even at $2 a gallon
for gas, a driver who puts 15,000 miles on the Prius
a year would have to own the Prius 22 years to make
up the difference.<br><br>General Motors Corp., Ford
Motor Co. and the Chrysler side of DaimlerChrysler AG
have all committed to offering hybrids in 2003, but
have said production will be limited due to the high
cost and uncertainty about their popularity. Their
first vehicles will be either trucks or sport utility
vehicles, which offer greater potential fuel savings over
small cars.<br><br>Environmentalists said the credits
would help drive demand, but said improving the fuel
economy of all vehicles was still the top
priority.<br><br>"Tax incentives are in no way a substitute," said
Therese Langer, transportation program director for the
American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy. "They
are a promotional measure which would help meet a
stricter (fuel economy) standard."
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May 18 2001, 11:39 AM
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WOW!! Where does the media come up with people like this?? I'll concede that
they look alike (prius and echo) Cant please 'em can we?!?!
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May 18 2001, 07:55 PM
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I was at a press event with the Designer of Prius
(he is part of the US design studio in Newport Beach,
CALTY) someone suggested Prius looked like Echo and he
nearly ripped their head off. These artistic types are
so excitable. He then went on very patiently to
explain where and how Prius styling was better than Echo.
Note Echo was not designed in the US. Prius is a
unique platform sharing no parts with Echo.<br><br>Dave
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May 18 2001, 08:38 PM
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Re: Prius is a unique platform sharing no parts
with Echo.<br><br>So how come the New Car Features
manual shows the Prius 1NZ-FXE engine as a slight
modification to the Echo's 1NZ-FE engine? The different cams
for Atkinson timing seem to be the only physical
difference (quite a bit of software difference,
however).<br><br>Did you really just mean no body trim parts are
shared, or have I been grossly misreading this? Correct
me now before I misrepresent again :-)<br><br>Robert
Snyder<br>NJ-PIKACHU
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May 18 2001, 11:54 PM
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Now now,<br><br>The Echo has a higher-revving,
more powerful 1NZ FXE ICE. (I'm starting to feel like
I work for the gov't!)<br><br>I'm sure it has
"real" piston rings and valve springs to handle the
higher RRRRR's.<br><br>Jeff (and mebbe a tach, I
forget...just sat in one to gauge the interior room, in the
days b-4 Prius demonstrator vehicles)
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May 19 2001, 05:31 AM
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ee of ee, better tell the designer he's been
hanging around the focus and echo too much before he
'designed' the Prius.<br><br>I have had more than one person
approach me thinking the car was a focus. The guy said he
was REALLY glad he hadn't bought the dark green one
after seeing how the dirt showed on ours. I agree, and
it doesn't matter how often we wash it, we wouldn't
buy that color again. Our first choice was the light
green.<br><br>When we went to the dealer to pick up our Prius, we
said, oh there it is...and it turned out that was an
echo.<br><br>Even now the only way we easily identify the two is
the side vent or dash if really close.
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May 19 2001, 07:45 AM
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I agree that the Prius DOES look like the Echo
and Focus. When I see "that front end", first look at
the antenna - Echo's is on the side not middle,
second, if the antenna is in the middle look for the Ford
symbol on the front grille. That's the only way I could
look quick enough to tell the difference at highway
speeds. <br> Saw 3 Prius and an Insight within a 5 mile
stretch here in Bloomington. Bet that has not happened at
any other place in southern Indiana -- ever.
Wahoo!!!!
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May 19 2001, 08:31 AM
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Another sometimes-clue is the rear spoiler. All Priuses have them; only some
Echos have them. But I agree that the center-mount antenna is the real
giveaway.<br><br>Burns
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May 19 2001, 09:34 AM
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To tell Echo from Prius from the front, I just
look at the "mouth". Prius has an overbite from the
top teeth, while Echo has rodent teeth (top and
bottom). The Focus front isn't rounded like the Prius and
Echo, although when it has a spoiler it's rear is very
similar to Prius. The Focus doesn't have teeth
either.<br><br>Robert Snyder<br>NJ-PIKACHU (wait a minute, Pikachu is a
Japanese electric mouse, why didn't Prius get the rodent
teeth? :-)
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May 19 2001, 07:04 PM
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Robert,<br><br>Sorry for the confusion, in the
sub-dialect spoken in the auto industry, the platform is the
chassis and floor pan. Some platforms spawn various
bodies and often several plartforms share powertrain
components. Prius is the only body built on the Prius
platform. The engine is a derivative of the 1NZ also used
in the Echo, Yaris and Vitz. For the Prius
application the crank, pistons, head, cams, etc are all
different, but it does share the 1.5 l block.<br><br>Dave
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May 19 2001, 07:21 PM
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Better check first production dates. Prius pre-dates Echo and Focus. Remember
it was on sale in Japan before coming to NA. Maybe the designer should sue for
artistic infringement?<br><br>Dave
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May 21 2001, 06:31 AM
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Here's proof that Prius precedes the Echo and
Focus. Let's give the designers at CALTY credit<br>for
their innovative work. Also the engineers at TTC in Ann
Arbor and
Nagoya.<br><br><a href=http://www.anim8.com/prius/Contacts/press_japan.html
target=new>http://www.anim8.com/prius/Contacts/press_japan.html</a>
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