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> Lubing a 96 4WD 4-Runner
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post Jun 29 2006, 08:52 AM
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Okay, I consider myself a weekend mechanic when I have the time. Haven't had the time in 15 years dang it, but I'm terrified of dropping off my 4-runner to Jiffy Lube, and it needs to be lubed. Went out and bought my Haynes Manaul, and I'll get under the truck this weekend. Other than the very limited # of places to lube, anything else to look for? Is it as simple as just pumping in the correct grease until it starts to ooze out? chg
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post Jun 30 2006, 08:13 AM
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Hi Charles I to Have a 96 4runner, I have changed the oil myself and HIGHLY recomend dropping the skid plates. (4-6 bolts each) easier to change filter and keeps oil from pouring everywhere. I have the v6 the 4 might be different. Jeff
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post Jun 30 2006, 10:01 AM
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Jeff - yes, the skid plates get in the way, don't they? Wish ALL engine designers would put the filter in an accessible place. Do you lube your vehicle too? Jeff
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post Jul 4 2006, 08:54 PM
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Charles I have not lubed it, I usually take it to Jiffy lube every other time. However I'm like you guys though, I'm leery about those guys at the "lube store". I had a Honda Prelude they recommended to have the radiator flushed. I said OK I knew it was dirty. When the job was completed and got back home and let the system cool down I checked the coolant. Yep Looked just as dirty as it was before. But I thought I would play it cool. I went to a different Jiffy lube and asked what they recommended about my coolant system . They said it looked terrible and recommend I have it flushed. I asked if I could have there recommendation and price on a estimate sheet, being very accommodating they do and with a smile! I then produced the receipt showing it was just flushed at one of their shops yesterday. He said OHHHH. I said thank you and went back to where I just had the service done and showed him the recommendation. He said OH NO PROBLEM WE WILL DO IT AGAIN. Well after they consulted with each other again with me in the waiting room they approached me again and said they would refund my money!!?? OK they cant perform the job right or what?? But I think they are OK changing oil??? Jeff
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post Jul 8 2006, 07:11 AM
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I've seen a number of posts from various groups and even a couple of those undercover TV reporter shows about Jiffy Lube. Quote from NBC site: Joel Grover: "Do you feel pressure to cheat customers?" David Dickason, Former EZ Lube Manager: "Yeah, definitely." Fully story here: http://www.nbc4.tv/automotive/2615014/detail.html Seems it's common practice to push 'repairs' that aren't needed and replace parts that aren't replaced. Maybe you should send copies of the stuff you have to your local state attorney general office. They love stuff like that. They're so bad, there is a web site just for them: http://www.jiffylubeproblems.com/ http://www.jiffylubeproblems.com/StateIndex.htm Don't know why someone from them hasn't gone to jail yet. It's not cheating
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post Jul 8 2006, 12:37 PM
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I've personally witnessed the damaged caused by Jiffy Lube and other "quick lube" establishments. People have come into the dealership with leaks, overheating, transmission problems, and check engine lights shortly after taking their vehicles to these places. In addition, they were sold bulbs, even though they weren't burned out, because they told the customers that they were the wrong bulbs. We've replaced a few engines over the years because these establishments forgot to put oil back in. The latest crop of problems coming in due to having service performed at Jiffy Lube are 1) They replaced the rear differential fluid on Tundras that have limited slip differential with regular fluid, thus causing wear, noise, and operational problems. 2) They have found a nifty way (particularly on Highlanders) to pull a hose from the airbox (containing the air filter), causing the check engine light to come one. When the customer went back to the Jiffy Lube or "quickie lube", they were sold a bill of goods to correct the check engine light. One of their biggest money makers is a radiator, engine, and transmission flush. If they actually perform the service, more damage is caused by the pressure caused by their machine than what any dirty fluid would cause. We always tell our customers that we only drain and fill fluids (unless a rare and specific case calls for it) because flushing can dislodge debris, thus causing more component damage due to having it re-lodge into a vital passageway, starving the componentry of the vital fluids (think of a person who had heart bypass surgery, only to stroke out because a clot dislodged and went to the brain). In short, engine, transmission, and coolant system damage occurs, often with great expense. If properly maintained, a vehicle should never need "flushing". I have several customers who have over 400,000 miles on their Toyotas. They follow the correct maintenance procedures (never having any type of flushing performed), and their vehicles run just as well as they did when new. Most customers would bring their vehicles into my Toyota dealership because of the aforementioned errors. With the Highlander, we simply reconnect the airbox and clear the codes at no charge. I've never seen anyone who was able to get out of the "quick lube" places at the advertised oil change price. When people come to us for an oil change, our prices are clearly stated - $34.94 for a 4 cyl, $36.95 for a 6 cyl., and $38.95 for an 8 cyl. Our initial prices are slightly higher than Jiffy Lube and the other quick lube places, but that's because we use Valvoline Durablend oil. We found that it's the best all-around perfoming oil in Toyota vehicles and offers a well-protected 5,000 mile oil change interval, which is less expensive in the long run, as the frequency of oil changes is less. As the oil is draining, our Toyota Certified ASE Technicians perform free inspections over the whole vehicle. If any problems are found, I am notified and bring the customer to the vehicle and physically show them exactly what the problem is. If the brakes are worn, I show them exactly what needs to be done and what the cost will be before starting any procedure. We always notate for the customer's (and our) records what their brakes are on a percentage basis (example: 50%f, 80%r remaining). Some people come in worried that their brakes are bad because they hear noise or have excessive pedal travel and that the quick lube place told them that they needed new brakes. A majority of the time, their brakes just need cleaned and adjusted, as they have pleanty of pad life remaining. We also show the customer how their coolant performes. All coolant becomes dirty, but still is effective to its expiration range (on Toyotas, 30k for green coolant, 60K for red coolant. We're proud of the service that we provide and never, ever sell anything that isn't necessary. We give a report to the customer, the condition of their vehicle and tell them of
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