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> Well, this is what TOYOTA says.
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post Jun 5 2001, 05:18 PM
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Other cars, Corollas and Camrys for example, sit on dealer lots for weeks. That's why there is an elaborate "hold back" system (see Edmunds buying advice). I'm not going to try to get into Toyota's mind. I don't know why there is a five month wait for a three year old car. I think it's on purpose- period. That's just my opinion. Who knows why they do what they do- I will say this, however: the official brochure says:<br><br>Once upon a time...engineers...imagined a car THAT WOULD CHANGE EVERYTHING...Now, Toyota has realized that vision, and you can park THE FUTURE in your driveway.<br><br>Implicit in this is a promise of yet more hybrid vehciles. I think it is disingenuous to suggest that Toyota does not know whether or not the Prius is a fad- either they know it is not a fad- or their marketing is compossed of lies. Still, I am profoundly grateful for the fact that they make such a beautiful car- I love it. I think people adopt it into their families and name it as someone said because the front is Volkswagen/ like.<br>I don't mean to be negative- I just think we should stop defending Toyota- they do not seem to be putting enough resources into producing Prius'.<br>I am not saying they are not but there is a viewpoint that they do not seem to be and I think that's logical enough. Nobody wants hybrids to be a fad or for this technology to be taken away now that we've seen it.
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post Jun 5 2001, 08:02 PM
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"...Toyota does not know whether or not the Prius is a fad.... they do not seem to be putting enough resources into producing Prius"<br><br>Toyota is most definitely managing this process (and I think doing quite well at it) for the long-haul success of Prius and HEV. <br><br>They have an Internet ordering system that delivers a Prius exactly where the demand is (as opposed to Honda, which has Insights sitting on lots throughout the country).<br><br>They realize that their best marketing strategy plays heavily on PR, a little advertising, and a lot of word of mouth (that's what this forum is, and that's what you're doing every time someone stops you and says "what kind of car is that?")<br><br>Finally, as consumers, we tend to see only the cars. We don't think about all the other things that need to be put in place so that HEVs like the Prius can succeed--dealers that know how to sell it, technicians who know how to service it. The whole distribution and maintenance system needs to be trained on how to support the car.<br><br>So, let Toyota build it up slowly. As a friend of mine once said: "Carrots grow a lot faster if stop pulling them up out of the ground to see how fast they've grown."
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post Jun 6 2001, 02:57 AM
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"...as opposed to Honda, which has Insights sitting on lots throughout the country."<br><br>Right. You can go out and get an Insight right now, but you get so much more car for the money in a Prius that it's almost ridiculous. A five month wait is a long time, but you'll hear me complain about as often as you'll hear me at stoplights.<br><br>Preston
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post Jun 6 2001, 06:02 AM
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&gt;&gt;You can go out and get an Insight right now, &gt;&gt;but you get so much more car for the money in a &gt;&gt;Prius that it's almost ridiculous. <br><br>More isn't allways better. If all you need is a two seater and want to save a few thousand dollars then the insight can make perfect sence. 2002 even has CVT and SULEV.<br>Charlie
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post Jun 6 2001, 03:48 PM
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Opicher stated it quite well in in Msg 6299, and if a quick re-read of many of the posts here serves me right, it is possible to find a Prius without the wait if one puts in just a very small amount of effort. No, it isn't quite as easy as walking into the dealership and selecting the car from among all those Camrys and what all sitting there on the lot, but almost. There are TRAC cars that come up for sale, there are cars that are delivered but not bought by the original orderer, and which are not bought by the next-in-line orderers. Check some of Dianne's posts here and in the Prius Groups board to that effect. So wailing about the wait and lamenting one's inability to "Just Buy It" when the old car is totaled is unfortunately a bit disingenuous. As to Toyota's thinking: as a marketer, I can tell you that the process is complicated, but one aspect is clearly Toyota's desire to see that the car/technology is established and accepted before committing to expansion of models and facilities, because there is at least the intention of bringing in other THS vehicles in the (near) future. The extremely good service given Prii and careful attention paid to solving actual or potential problems is a testament to that desire and to that planning. Caution in allocating resources to the new technology and to producing it was/is in order--note that none of the "Big 3" is anywhere near ready to market anything like the Prius--indeed, Ford is buying THS systems for their SUV, probably because it has proven itself in Toyota's hands and because Ford can't do it and knows it.<br>Alan
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I have owned some quite incredible 2-seaters (TVRs, Jaguars, Lotus, Marcos etc.), and they are wonderful and tremendous fun to drive. So is the Insight--I had a blast test-driving it. And generally speaking, I usually was quite happy with only that one empty seat next to me when driving a sports car (which is what I think the Insight is). <br><br>But I also always had some kind of fall-back vehicle when more than 2 of us wanted to go somewhere, and therein lies the rub. If it were only a matter of saving a couple of thousand, and I knew I'd always have a fall-back, then great. But if I were to sacrifice the convenience of being able to take more than only one other person along for that relatively small savings, then the equation comes out differently, especially if I were to have only one vehicle. At this point I appreciate the convenience of the 5-seater Prius because I take more than one person with me pretty often. And I still have the TVRs, even if I don't drive them much.<br><br>I guess it all depends on one's needs and how best to fill them. Oh yes: I've read that the Insight (2-seat) with the CVT apparently doesn't get nearly the mileage the Insight with the 5-speed does. Can anyone shed any light on that? And I also heard Honda is bringing out a 5-seat Insight in 2002....just a bit more grist for the mill...and to make sense out of.<br>Alan
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n57er said:<br>&lt;snip&gt;<br>&gt;And I still have the TVRs,<br>Drool..... (schlerp)<br>Which ones?<br><br>&gt; even if I don't drive them much.<br>Me! Me! Me!<br>Yo! Mista Kotter!<br><br>bp<br>(Ooh! Ooh! Ooh!)
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